O’Donnell says Coons will “rubber stamp the same failed policies that have caused unemployment,” while the Dem says the Tea Partier “values partisan bickering over compromise and solutions.”
NANCY KARIBJANIAN, DELAWARE FIRST MEDIA: I’m Nancy Karibjanian for
Delaware First Media.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening, I’m Wolf Blitzer from
CNN. Thank you so much for joining us for what’s certain to be one of
the most widely watched events of this, the 2010 midterm election season.
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s introduce the candidates. Joining us for this
debate this evening, Democratic Chris Coons, welcome. And Republican
Christine O’Donnell, welcome.
CHRISTINE O’DONNELL, (R-DE) SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you.
KARIBJANIAN: We also want to thank AARP Delaware and the American
Society Cancer Action Network for their support making this debate
BLITZER: And let’s go through some of the rules, some of the ground
rules for this 90-minute debate. It’s divided into two parts.
Following a two-minute opening statement from each candidate, Nancy and
I will pose questions. Responses to that initial question limited to two
minutes with a one-minute rebuttal from the other candidate. And then
there will be an opportunity for all of us to mix it up a little bit, to
get into a discussion, and follow up. That’s the first hour. The first
60 minutes of this debate.
That will be followed by a 30-minute segment, during which we turn
to the students here at the University of Delaware. They have
questions. Responses to their questions will be limited to one minute.
Each candidate will also have two minutes at the end for a closing
Our live audience here in Mitchell Hall understands, we hope, that
there will be no applause during tonight’s debate. We want everyone to
be quiet and listen and learn from these two candidates.
A coin toss determined earlier the order for this evening. We begin
with two-minute opening statements from each of the candidates, and we
begin with Chris Coons.
CHRIS COONS, (D-DE) SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. Thank you,
To our moderators, Wolf Blitzer, Nancy Karibjanian, and to our
hosts, UD Center for Political Communications and Delaware First Media.
There’s a great deal at stake in this election for our state, for
our families and for our country. All of us, regardless of our
political leanings, recognize that Washington is broken. As I’ve
traveled up and down the state the last nine months as a candidate
listening to voters talk about the issues facing them in their daily
lives, I’ve heard again and again their frustration with Washington and
with elected officials who are putting narrow partisan agendas
ahead of the good of our country and doing little to help millions of
Americans out of work or on the verge of losing their homes or who are
anxious about their futures.
The partisan gridlock in Washington has real implications for us in
Delaware. There’s more than 35,000 Delawareans still out of work and
nearly 3,000 families that have faced foreclosure this year. These
aren’t just numbers. In Delaware, these are our neighbors. And we
can’t simply stand by and watch Washington ignore us or them any longer.
In this election, Delaware’s voters face a clear and important
choice between, on the one hand, my opponent, a candidate who wants to
take our state and candidate back to the failed economic policies of the
past, who values partisan bickering over compromise and solutions. And
who I believe has extreme
positions that threaten vital education programs and would abandon our
commitment to our veterans.
And on the other hand, in my case, a candidate with a proven track
record of balancing budgets, finding bipartisan solutions, working with
Delaware’s businesses large and small, helping to create jobs and spur
Over the next 90 minutes, I look forward to the chance to share with
you my ideas and values, Delaware values that I learned growing up in
Hokesen, working here in Newark with one of Delaware’s most innovative
manufacturing companies and leading Delaware’s second largest government.
I take seriously the idea this campaign is a job interview. And
tonight’s debate is about giving Delaware’s voters an insight into which
candidate has the experience, the values, and the ideas to best
represent them and do the hard work of fixing what’s broken in Washington.
KARIBJANIAN: Your opening statement.
O’DONNELL: Thank you.
Thank you to our hosts and for everyone being here tonight. I’m
running because I’m concerned about the direction of our country. The
America we knew and grew up with is being threatened in the most serious
way. In just three years, we will be paying $1 billion a day on the
interest alone on our national debt.
The common sense men and women in this room, and all across
Delaware, know this is not sustainable. Yet my opponent wants to go to
Washington and rubber-stamp the failed spending bills that are coming
from — that have cost us 2.5 million jobs.
This is wrong. Uncle Sam needs to be cut off.
With your vote and your support, I want to go to Washington to
create jobs based on private business, not your tax dollars. I want to
fight to have our nation become debt free. I want to stop the tax hikes
that are coming in January. I want to reach sustainable energy
independence, support the military, and strengthen the security of our
homeland. I want to fight to safeguard Social Security, improve
education, and protect our constitutional liberties.
And in an election year, when so much is at stake, just about every
candidate says this, yet what distinguishes one candidate from another
are the proposed solutions to reach these goals. I very much look
forward to getting down to brass tacks with all of you over the next 90
minutes because I believe there is a clear choice in this election. A
vote for my opponent will cost the average Delaware family $10,000
instantly between the January tax hikes and his vote for cap and trade.
Most of us can’t afford that. If you think that government is too
small and that your taxed too little, if you’re ever questioned whether
America is a beacon of freedom and justice, then he’s your guy. But if
you want a U.S. senator who will stand up to the Washington elite, who
will put your interests ahead of the special interests, and make the
tough decisions needed to rein in an out of control Washington, then I
humbly ask you to vote O’Donnell for U.S. Senate.
KARIBJANIAN: All right. We’re now getting into our question
portion of the evening.
And I’ll begin with you, Mr. Coons. Creating jobs to get America
back to work clearly has to be a priority to do. Americans voted
overwhelmingly for Democrats during the last election, because most felt
that the Democrats would be able to fix the failing economy.
Unemployment is at 9.6%, almost three quarters of Americans in the most
recent CNN Opinion Research Corporation poll said that the economy is
still in a recession.
So why should the voters of Delaware trust a Democrat this time around?
COONS: Well, Nancy, thanks for your question. I think the voters
of Delaware should trust this Democrat because of my combination of
experience working in the private sector and working with the private
sector. Hands-on work, helping one of Delaware’s most innovative
companies expand and grow jobs and concrete and engaged work working
with our Chamber of Commerce, our business roundtable, the Committee of
100, lots of groups who represent businesses large and small to
effectively grow the economy.
I’ve also presented as a candidate for the Senate concrete and real
They’re on my web site but I look forward to the chance to go over them
in some detail tonight.
I would advocate for a research and development tax credit and
expand our tax credit that’s combined with a new manufacturing tax
credit that advocates for companies that invent things here and make
them here, getting an extra inventive.
I also think we need to change the crazy tax policy in Washington
that gives an incentive to American companies to shut down operations
ship jobs overseas.
There’s other things I’ve proposed – expanding the home office tax
credit, expanding a tax credit for starting a new business that employs
folks within the first couple of years, fighting harder in trade policy
to make sure we’re not letting our trading partners take advantage of us
in trade deals that were signed over previous years, doing more in
investment and innovation.
At the end of the day, I think Delaware has a long tradition of
inventing and manufacturing world class products. The best way for us
to get out of this recession is through growth. The best way to growth
is by taking advantage of the skills and resources of a world class
university like this one where we’re having this debate this evening and
tying that to a stronger more qualified more capable workforce, giving
it the resources and the energy it needs to be once again the leader in
the world in creating high quality, high value manufacturing jobs.
Those are some of the ideas I look forward to discussing more this
evening. Thank you.
KARIBJANIAN: Ms. O’Donnell, you have one minute for a rebuttal.
O’DONNELL: Well, first, we have to keep in mind my opponent has a
history of promising not to raise taxes on the campaign trail and then
break those promises as soon as he takes office. Unemployment here in
New Castle County rose, almost doubled in the last two years under his
watch as New Castle county executive.
Now, when it comes to the policies that he has said on the campaign
trail, he will continue to rubber-stamp the spending policies coming
from Washington. We were promised that the stimulus bill would create
jobs. But instead it cost us 2.6 million jobs. We were promised that
it would keep unemployment at 8%, but instead we see unemployment at
9.7%. The Democrats are bragging that unemployment has leveled out,
but while unemployment has leveled out, more people than ever are on
food stamps and our welfare spending is higher than ever. This is not
the right move. This is not a move towards real economic recovery.
This is a move towards creating a culture of dependency.
I believe the best thing the government…
KARIBJANIAN: That’s the time, sorry.
But now we get to open it to discussion.
BLITZER: Well, what specifically, Ms. O’Donnell, would you do,
specifically, to create jobs?
O’DONNELL: What I think the best thing the government can do to get
our economy back on real economic recovery is for — to get out of the
way of the small business owner and get out of the way of the
entrepreneur. And the way you do that is to make sure these tax hikes
don’t come in January. You begin to roll back some of the regulation
that’s forced them to close their doors.
A couple of that things I’m proposing. And number one, a temporary
two-year tax holiday on the capital gains tax to give investors the
money they need to reinvest in business, to permanently eliminate the
death tax. That’s not only an unjust bill because we’ve paid taxes
while we saved it, but it will also create 1.5 million new jobs.
KARIBJANIAN: Let me just remind that we are in the discussion
portion so you can interject here as well as we continue to discussion
COONS: I’m not sure I understand what Ms. O’Donnell means when she
says this is simply create ago culture of dependency and that her
primary objective would be to end the endless regulation and red tape.
She denounces the Obama administration, says its done nothing to promote
job growth when frankly, just a few weeks ago, a new bill that would
provide expanded SBA loan capacity, $30 billion worth of new lending
capability, TARP funds that have been repaid, and are being repurchased
towards small and midsized banks all over the United States. Real and
concrete steps are being taken.
I also frankly can’t imagine where she found the numbers that
unemployment doubled in just the past year under my watch. I suspect
we’re going to need to keep a close eye this evening on the numbers that
go flying back and forth.
BLITZER: Let’s ask her, where did you get those numbers?
O’DONNELL: The Department of Labor statistics. And we’ll have them
on our web site by tomorrow.
But I want to point out that he said that we’re not creating a
culture of dependency. How would you explain what is happening when
unemployment is leveled out, but more and more people are on food
stamps? We’ve got to ask ourselves, what do we want Delawareans to be
receiving, food stamps or paychecks? I say paychecks.
COONS: Obviously paychecks. We’d like to have Americans able to
receive the benefits they need to get through incredibly difficult
times. But to simply denounce people as being dependent because they’re
applying for and receiving food stamps…
O’DONNELL: Oh, Chris, that’s not fair…
COONS: …in the worst recession in modern times…
O’DONNELL: That’s not fair of you to say
COONS: Is frankly slandering people who are in incredibly difficult
O’DONNELL: That fair of you to say that, because that’s not at all
what I’m doing. I’m not the person who would cut the tax benefits for
disabled and low-income senior citizens, as you did as county
executive. But what I’m proposing is to give these tax — to make sure
that the tax cults for our Delawareans do not expire this January. You
have said that you will stop the tax cuts for the so-called rich. What
you fail to realize is the so-called rich are the small business owner,
the dry-cleaner down the street, the pizza shop owner who makes $300,000
before they pay their four employees, before they feed their own family…
BLITZER: I’ll have you respond.
COONS: Ms. O’Donnell, we’re going to try to have a conversation
here this evening, rather than just a diatribe if we possibly could. I
think it would be helpful to have an exchange of ideas and let each of
us take turns so thank you for moderating, Wolf.
I think it’s important to look closely at some of the things Ms.
O’Donnell’s thrown out on her new web site. Most of them are untrue.
Some of them are flat-out lies. Some of them are mischaracterizations.
Some are just factually untrue. So, I’m not going to stop every single
time there’s something
she throws out that I disagree with or I think is factually
But let me just say at the outset, that much of what you’ve put out,
much of how you’ve characterized my record is incorrect. And if we
simply sit here and say, that’s not true, we’re not going to make much
BLITZER: Do you support keeping the Bush tax cuts for all Americans
or only those make under $200,000 a year?
COONS: I suppose extending the Bush tax cuts for the overwhelming
majority of Americans. I don’t think we should draw an arbitrary line
at $250,000. But the value that I will apply as deciding how much to
extend, whether it goes up to $1 million or $2 million, or $5 millions
that we’ve got
a tough choice to make. Every increased tax cut, every extension that’s
given, is going to cost, it’s going to increase the deficit, it adds to
And here’s the primary value I would apply in deciding whether to
extend all the Bush tax cuts and for how long. I think we should do
those tax cuts that have the best chance of getting our economy going
BLITZER: All right…
KARIBJANIAN: We’re out of time though for this discussion.
BLITZER: But you’re going to have an opportunity to get back into
this discussion because this is issue number one – jobs, jobs, jobs.
Also, the deficit. I want to get into the deficit right now. You’ve
made the point that the national debt is exploding, the budget deficit
is exploding right now. I want some specific meaningful cuts, if you’re
elected a senator from Delaware, what would you cut in the federal
budget? And don’t just say waste, fraud and abuse, because everybody
says that. What would you cut specifically?
O’DONNELL: That’s a great question because first of all we have got
to tackle the deficit and the debt because our deficit is almost
becoming equal to our national GDP. When your deficit — a country’s
deficit equals your GDP, that’s when your currency collapses, your
market collapses. We’ve got to take drastic measures.
BLITZER: So what would you cut?
O’DONNELL: First of all, cancel the unspent stimulus bill. Second
of all, put a freeze on non-discretionary — on discretionary spending,
put a hiring freeze on nonsecurity personnel. And then, of course, when
we’re talking about cutting government spending, we’ve got to talk about
waste, fraud and abuse.
A recent report came out said we spend over $1 billion in Medicaid
waste fraud and abuse. We’re talking about pharmacies billing for
to dead people. We’re talking about home health care companies billing
for patients who were in the hospital.
Senator Coburn recently put out a report called schoolhouse pork
that disclosed millions of dollars that were supposed to go to education
funding that instead went to special favors.
Now, special favors are something that my opponent knows very much
about because he created 12 contingency funds so that he could pay out
favors to special interest groups. The courts forced him to close 11 of
them. But of the one that remained open, he paid $53,000 in a men’s
fashion show. He paid another — more than $50,000, to appease liberal
special interest groups.
At a time when he brags about balancing the budget by raising our
taxes, cutting policemen pay, this is how he chooses to spend our tax
dollars. We’ve got to ask, do we want to send this gentleman to
Washington, D.C.? I would say no.
He’s a career politician who has proven he knows how to play the
I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine game.
BLITZER: You have a minute to respond.
COONS: There’s so much to respond to Wolf, a minute may not be enough.
Let me get back to the focus of the question, is what would you do
to tackle the deficit and the debt? I think we have some very large
challenges in front of us. The overwhelming majority of federal
spending is made up by defense spending, Medicare, Medicaid, Social
Security and interest on the debt.
While the president has proposed, and I would seriously consider
supporting, a freeze on non defense discretionary spending for three
years, which would achieve significant reductions. I’ve also identified
on my web site a series of reductions that I would support. Some of
them are in agricultural price supports. Some are in federal office
space, for example, or hiring. And several are in defense programs.
Defense acquisition that the Pentagon itself has already said they
no longer need. The C-17 program for example, or the second engine for
the F-35. There’s a variety of platforms and programs that I think we
can simply do away with. As we invest in making our defense and our
military more modern, more flexible, more responsive to the real threats
we face in the modern world. And as we continue to achieve some savings
through the BRAC program and other things that have shown a real
capacity to save.
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s open the discussion on correcting some of the
financial issues here by talk about some of your own personal financial
problems. And most people know about it by now, including an IRS lien
that was for about $12,000 in taxes and penalties from ’05. There was
the ’08 mortgage default judgment on your home. You just received your
bachelors degree, as you said, because it took a decade to pay of the
The question, then is, how can voters rely upon your thoughts on how
to manage the deficit if you’re having such personal financial issues of
O’DONNELL: Well, first of all, that IRS tax lien, the IRS already
admitted that it was a computer error and my opponent should not be
bringing that up, because as I’ve gone up and down the campaign trail,
I’ve discovered there are thousands of Delawareans who have faced the
same thing. An IRS mistake has caused them greatly, which is all the
more reason why we need to reform the IRS, not put them in control of
our health care.
Second of all, you mentioned education. I don’t have a trust fund.
I didn’t come from a privileged, sheltered background as my opponent
says he did…
KARIBJANIAN:: Let’s stay to the issue of paying bills…
O’DONNELL: I am. I paid for my own college education. I also have
a graduate fellowship in constitutional government from the Claremont
Institute. I know how hard it is to earn and keep a dollar. And one of
the reasons why the Delawareans should be able to trust me is because
when I did in this economy, I worked for nonprofit groups. Nonprofit
groups were the first to have been hurt. When I fell upon difficult
times, I made the sacrifices needed to set things right. I sold my
house. And I sold a lot of my possessions in order to pay of my
personal debt and to become in a stronger position.
I have worked hard in order to get to the position that I am. So I
can relate to the thousands of Delaware families that are suffering
right now. And I’m stronger for it. I made it through to the other
side. And that’s where — leadership doesn’t count in whether or not
you fall, it counts in whether or not you’ve gotten up and that’s what
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s just remember we’re in the discussion portion so
if you have anything you want to address on things that have been said
on this topic thus far, go for it.
COONS: Well Nancy, I frankly think that we need to focus in this
debate this evening and in the campaign, not on personal financial
difficulties or background earns but on the issues in front of us, the
things that Delawareans are concerned about – how do we tackle the
deficit and debt, how do we get Delaware back to work? There’s been
lots of discussion in the national media about things my opponent has
said or done that I frankly think are a distraction from the core issues
that Delawareans ask about – ask both of us about.
O’DONNELL: You’re just jealous that you weren’t -
COONS: What would you do in Washington?
O’DONNELL: — on “Saturday Night Live.”
COONS: I’m – I’m dying to see who’s going to play me, Christine.
BLITZER: Well, let’s – on a serious note, let’s get through some of
the accusations that she’d made and – and we’ll give you a chance to
BLITZER: That -
COONS: On the idea that somehow I was the one responsible for being
sued for creating 11, 12 – she’s confusing me with my predecessor, Tom
BLITZER: What we’re talking about is County Executive -
BLITZER: — New Castle County Executive. You raised property
taxes, according to reports, three times, 25 percent hike in the last
fiscal year. You proposed new taxes on hotels, paramedic services, even
911 calls from cell phones. Is that true?
COONS: No. It’s not true that we proposed a tax on the calls to
the 911 center. In any case -
O’DONNEL: It’s not true.
COONS: — research into that would reveal that. It’s difficult,
it’s complicated, but I’ll take – I’ll take a -
BLITZER: Well, explain your record on – on taxes. Did you increase
taxes as the county executive?
COONS: Wolf, let me walk you through, for a moment, what’s
happened, because one of the attacks my opponent’s made repeatedly is
that I’ve driven the county to the edge of bankruptcy. That’s on her
newest attack. Nothing could be the further from the truth.
Today, New Castle County has a surplus. When I became executive in
’05, it had a deficit. I have worked hard over six years to defend a
very significant reserve, which has made it possible for us to continue
to have a Triple-A bond rating. Out of 3,000 – roughly 3,000 counties
in America, roughly 30 have a Triple-A bond rating, and I reached a
bipartisan solution -
O’DONNEL: It says stop.
COONS: — that cut more in spending than was raised in taxes.
BLITZER: All right, a quick response and then we’ll move to the next -
O’DONNELL: You’ve been criticized for saying that you brought the
county to Triple A bond rating. You inherited that good rating. And
how would you justify cutting the tax exception for low income seniors
and disabled seniors, cutting our policeman pay when you wastefully
spent so much money on appeasing the special interest groups?
You simply can’t justify that. That is a career politician. That
is cronyism. We don’t need any more of that in Washington.
BLITZER: Very quickly, because we got to move to the next series of
questions, do you want to respond to that?
COONS: There’s a lot to respond to in that.
BLITZER: Do it in 30 seconds.
COONS: That’s going to be difficult, Wolf.
But I’ll tell you that I’m proud of my record as New Castle County
Executive. The very hard choices that had to be made to clean up the
government – every time you get a bond rating, you earned a bond rating.
Ms. O’Donnell’s not familiar with how bond ratings work. Each time
you go to the bond market, you are re-rated. Moody’s, in their letter
of rating just two weeks ago, said that it was because of the
conservative fiscal policies of my administration that we have re-earned
a Triple A bond rating from all three agencies.
BLITZER: All right. Let’s move on to the next series of questions
on national security, foreign policy, right now. A hundred thousand
American men and women are serving in the military in Afghanistan right
now. The president of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, has now acknowledged
he’s in direct talks with the Taliban leadership, wants to create what
he calls a peace council.
Here’s the question, and it goes to Mr. Coons. Would you support a
negotiated settlement in Afghanistan that includes Taliban
representation? Would that be acceptable to you, a deal between Hamid
Karzai and the Taliban?
COONS: Wolf, I’m concerned about the security of our troops in the
field and about honoring the service and the sacrifice of our veterans.
The war in Afghanistan is the war of the two that we’ve been engaged in,
Iraq and Afghanistan, that I think was justified by a direct attack on
the United States by the Taliban, who were offering harbor to al Qaeda,
who were the authors of the 9/11 attack.
And I think in our 10th year now, on the ground in Afghanistan, we
have to look hard at whether we’re continuing to contribute to America’s
security by having 100,000 troops on the ground. I would support a
negotiated resolution to the war that allowed us leave security and
intelligence assets in place and that allowed us the opportunity to
reengage, should the Taliban take control again, or allow al Qaeda to
reemerge as a real threat to the region or to the United States.
We’ve spent $1.3 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. It has
significantly contributed to our debt. We have lost more than 5,000
American servicemen and women, and I’ve got folks who I am personally
close to who are deployed now for the third or fourth tour.
We have asked a lot of our men and women in the field. They have
delivered brilliantly. But, frankly, the mission has exceeded the scope
that I think we could initially reasonably expect of them.
I am far more concerned about the threats to our security posed by
an unstable Pakistan, posed by Iran, and posed by an endless war in a
country where we’re trying to build a nation where there really hasn’t
been one in modern times.
BLITZER: You have one minute to respond.
O’DONNELL: Well, I would ask him, if he’s serious about making sure
that Afghanistan doesn’t become a safe haven for terrorists, why, on the
campaign trail, he has said that he supports this random time withdrawal?
We have to support our men and women who are risking their lives.
Many of them have already given their lives over there. A random
withdrawal that he has said he support will simply embolden the
terrorists to come out after us even more, saying I’ve chased away the
When we withdraw from Iraq, we need to make sure that there are
benchmarks in place. Those benchmarks are making sure that there’s a
government that – a representative government over there that serves the
needs of the people and that can defend themselves. When we’ve reached
these benchmarks, that’s when we withdraw.
BLITZER: You want to respond to that?
COONS: She said withdraw from Iraq. I suspect you meant withdraw
O’DONNELL: No. From Afghanistan. Did I say Iraq? I’m sorry.
Thank you, Chris. You’re correct. I meant Afghanistan.
COONS: If we’re talking about Afghanistan -
O’DONNELL: Yes. Thank you.
COONS: — and, you know, frankly, I come from a family of
veterans. I come from a family that has dedicated a lot to the service
of our nation, and I wear a flag pin every day to remain me of the young
man who grew up next door to me, who was killed in Iraq in December of
I never take lightly the enormous sacrifices that our servicemen and
women have made now, and that we ask them to continue making. I don’t
know how long is too long, but 10 years strikes me as awfully long. And
I question whether your standard, whether your principles, give us any
hope of winding up this war on any reasonable timeline, because,
frankly, the government of Hamid Karzai has proven itself to be largely
corrupt, and to be frankly ineffective at establishing control over the
We are doing our best. We have dedicated trillions, hundreds of
billions of dollars to this conflict, and I’m frankly deeply concerned
that it’s a conflict without a reasonable end in sight.
There are times in history -
O’DONNELL: Saying that you’re -
COONS: — the best way to honor the sacrifice of servicemen and
women is to come up with a plan to responsibly wind down a conflict.
O’DONNELL: And that plan should be based on those benchmarks, the
benchmarks that means that we have had success.
Again, you’re saying hallow rhetoric, when you – you say that your
top priority is the concern for the safety of us on the homeland if you
seriously support this random time withdrawal. Because, again, all
we’re going to do is embolden the terrorists to think that they have
more power than they do.
And I would ask you, you know, a couple of times, whether it’s the
tax cuts or even here in this kind of veiled – you’ve gone back and
forth on what you just said in Afghanistan. Do you support the
president or don’t you support the president? With the tax cuts you’re
saying that you don’t support the president.
COONS: Ms. O’Donnell, let’s stay focused -
O’DONNELL: Are you going to tell him that when he comes on Friday?
COONS: — let’s stay focused on the issue in front of us, which is
Afghanistan. You’ve suggested gauzy benchmarks -
O’DONNELL: And it’s you – you’re jumping around.
COONS: No, we’re staying focused on the issue of Afghanistan rather
than jumping to other issues.
O’DONNELL: And you jumped around. You said that security -
COONS: Ms. O’Donnell -
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s let – let’s let -
COONS: The core issue here -
KARIBJANIAN: — Mr. Coons finish his point.
COONS: The core issue here is what reasonable prospect do you have
for these gauzy benchmarks and timelines you suggest to ever actually
result in a withdrawal?
In Iraq, there was a modern nation. There was a central
government. There was infrastructure in place. In Afghanistan, there
hasn’t been a nation in decades. And so, despite our 10 years of
incredible effort, we are not succeeding in building a nation.
As you put it, if the benchmark is self-governance, stability,
security, we had a decent shot -
BLITZER: All right.
COONS: — of that in Iraq.
BLITZER: I want to -
O’DONNELL: Well, if you remember, when we were fighting the Soviets
over there in Afghanistan in the ’80s and ’90s, we did not finish the
job. So now we have a responsibility to finish the job. And if you’re
going to make these politically correct statements that it’s costing us
too much money, you are threatening the security of our homeland.
KARIBJANIAN: We’re about to wrap up this topic. Let’s just get
there real quickly and ask yes or a no answer. Are – is this nation
more secure than it was under President Bush? Yes or no?
KARIBJANIAN: Today? Yes or no.
We’ll move on to our next topic, and this question goes to Ms.
O’DONNELL: Can I give – can I say why? I mean, we had more -
KARIBJANIAN: We – no. We’re really -
O’DONNELL: — terrorist attacks on our homeland.
KARIBJANIAN: — sorry, but we do need to move on.
I know that we’ve said that the statements out in the national
media, the “Saturday Night Live” skits are distractions. I appreciate
that, but to the voter in Delaware, it is the message that they are
receiving. So we would be remiss if we did not address this issue.
So the comments that you’ve made in the past, which are in your own
words because they’re on the videotape, have become the fodder for the
late night TV shows. You even released an ad that opened up by saying
“I am not a witch” and a local newspaper columnist said that the
comments that you’ve been – seemed to be making make Delawareans cringe.
So what do you say to voters who want the change but are
uncomfortable by these remarks?
O’DONNELL: This election cycle should not be about comments I made
on a comedy show over a decade and a half ago. This election cycle
should be about what is important to the people of Delaware, how we’re
going to get real jobs back to Delaware, how we’re going to get our
economy back on track, how we’re going to protect our senior citizens
and safeguard our social security. These are the issues that
Delawareans are concerned about.
You know, as, Wolf, you can attest, I have not welcomed this media
attention. You’ve been asking for an interview for quite a long time.
My priority has been getting back to the Delaware voters, meeting as
many voters, going to as many community forums as possible so that we
can counter these things.
My opponent has said that the statements that we made in our 20s
should be off the table, and after he made that statement, days later,
he started running ads. In his own campaign materials, he’s going back
on his word using those statements to misrepresent my character.
So, again, I thank you for the opportunity for the Delaware voters
to get to know who I am and what I’m all about because what I can assure
them is, while I made statements, my faith has matured over the years
but regardless of my personal faith, when I go down to Washington, D.C.,
it is the constitution that I will defend and it is by the constitution
that I will make all of my decisions, and that will be the standard
bearer for every piece of legislation that I will vote on.
KARIBJANIAN: Mr. Coons, you have a one-minute rebuttal.
COONS: I was surprised to see in the newspaper an interview profile
of both of us, Miss O’Donnell’s statement, pretty similar to what you
just heard from her that she would not have her faith be a central
driver of her decisions if elected. And I’m interested if we can
explore further your suggestion that the Constitution would be your
guide. Because I’m interested in hearing whether it’s the Constitution
as passed by the founders, the Constitution of 1920, 1930, the
Constitution of 1975, the Constitution of today. Because to me,
protecting a woman’s right to choose, protecting reproductive freedom,
and making sure that we’ve got on the record Miss O’Donnell’s views on
things like prayer, abortion, evolution, is important. These aren’t
just random statements on some late-night TV show. These are relevant
to her service in the United States Senate, what sort of judges she
would confirm, what sort of issues she would take up. I’m someone who
stands firmly behind the constitution as it stands today. I respect
stare decisis, the decided cases, the case law that governs the United
KARIBJANIAN: All right but let’s go to the issue of faith and
politics, because you were a student pastor at Yale. You also said in
an interview once that you thought you would either end up a preacher, a
professor or a politician. You’ve occasionally been a guest speaker at
some of the churches here in our community, Baptist churches,
Presbyterian churches to name a few. So how much of an influence does
this faith in your life have on your politics?
COONS: Faith is a central part of how my wife and I are raising our
three children, of why we decide to do the community service and the
outreach that we do but ours is a faith that we think a general
motivation towards public service, towards trying to create a community
that’s more tolerant, inclusive, and just, and towards the sort of
forgiveness, healing and reconciliation that we think is the central
message of our faith. But I also think, as someone who has been elected
ten years, I’ve learned to reach a balance where my private faith, the
aspects of my faith that are religious doctrine, don’t influence the
decisions that I’ve made for the public in my ten years in county office.
BLITZER: Let’s give you a chance to respond to some of the things
she said because in a television appearance back in 1998 on Bill Maher’s
show you said evolution is a myth. Do you believe evolution is a myth?
O’DONNELL: I believe that the local — I was talking about what a
local school taught and that should be taught — that should be decided
on the local community. But please let me respond to what he just said.
BLITZER: We’ll let you respond but answer the question. Do you
believe evolution is a myth?
O’DONNELL: Local schools should make that decision. I made that
remark based on –
BLITZER: What do you believe?
O’DONNELL: What I believe is irrelevant.
BLITZER: Why is it irrelevant?
O’DONNELL: Because what I would support …
BLITZER: Voters want to know.
O’DONNELL: What I will support in Washington, D.C. is the ability
for the local school system to decide what is taught in their classrooms
and what I was talking about on that show was a classroom that was not
allowed to teach creationism as an equal theory as evolution. That is
against their constitutional rights and that is an overreaching arm of
But, please allow me at least the full minute to respond to what he
said because he said these statements that we made should be taken into
consideration when casting your vote. So then I would be remiss not to
bring up the fact that my opponent has recently said that it was
studying under a Marxist professor that made him become a Democrat. So
when you look at his position on things like raising taxes, which is one
of the tenets of Marxism; not supporting eliminating death tax, which is
a tenet of Marxism — I would argue that there are more people who
support my Catholic faith than his Marxist beliefs, and I’m using his
KARIBJANIAN: We’re going to clarify that.
BLITZER: Because a lot of people remember, because they’ve learned
in last few weeks you did once describe yourself when you were in
college a long time ago as a bearded Marxist.
COONS: Great question, Wolf. I hope folks will go and read the
article. It’s an article that I wrote as a senior the day of our
commencement speech and the title and the content of that clearly makes
it obvious that it was a joke. There was a group of folks who I had
shared a room with, my roommates junior year, who are in the Young
Republican Club and who thought when I returned from Kenya and
registered as a Democrat that doing so was proof that I had gone all the
way over to the far left end, and so they jokingly called me a bearded
Marxist. If you take five minutes and read the article, it’s clear on
the face of it, it was a joke. Despite that, my opponent and lots of
folks in the right wing media have endlessly spun this. I am not now,
nor have I ever been, anything but a clean-shaven capitalist.
O’DONNELL: Well, I would — I would stand to disagree because,
first of all, if you’re saying what I said on a comedy show is relevant
to this election, then absolutely you writing an article, forget the
bearded Marxist comment, you writing an article saying that you learned
your beliefs from an articulate, intelligent Marxist professor and
that’s what made you become a Democrat, that should send chills up the
spine of every Delaware voter because then if you compare that statement
to your policies –
COONS: If it were accurate, if it were true, I’d agree. But it’s
not accurate. It’s not true.
O’DONNELL: You said that on MSNBC just a few weeks ago. You said
that on MSNBC.
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s go to an issue that you brought up about being
schools and this goes to you first, Mr. Coons. This is the issue of
education in our country. And in many public school districts all
across America, as they’re trying to get in accountability in the
classroom, it is very difficult to dismiss an underperforming teacher
because of the stringent contracts that have been negotiated with the
individual school districts and teacher unions. Do you feel teacher
unions are too powerful?
COONS: Nancy, one of the things I’ve complemented both Delaware’s
teachers and Delaware’s governor for is their remarkable progress under
the race to the top program. One of I think the best parts of the
Obama/Biden administration’s progress on education, I like both the
process and the outcome. They set a very high bar. They offered a
federal pot of money that was available or for those states that were
willing to make significant changes and Delaware and Tennessee were two
states that made that progress. Delaware’s teachers union, the DSEA,
came to the table and with the leadership of the Governor Markell, made
significant changes, things a lot of folks predicted they wouldn’t do to
embrace charters and to make them more powerful, to make it possible for
schools that are underperforming to be shut down or restructured and to
change a system so that teacher compensation could be tied towards
improvement by students in the classroom. I think our teachers deserve
our support and I think our teachers have a long tradition of
contributing significantly, not just to educating our children but to
building a stronger and better community. My own mother and grandmother
were school teachers and I deeply respect the hard work that they do.
Earlier today I was at Eisenberg School in New Castle because this
is National School Lunch Week. The work that our teachers do, the work
that’s done in early education from head start to full day kindergarten
through K through 12 education, the work that’s done here and in other
great public universities around the state and country, is critical to
laying the groundwork for our future. And I have no problem with
recognizing that the folks who do the hard work, the teachers, and the
paraprofessionals are entitled to a good standard of living, are
entitled to be able to live a life where they have health care, they
have a pension, and they have job security. I do think there are issues
that we have to tackle and I think race to the top made significant
progress in them in making sure schools are performing as best they can.
BLITZER: You have a minute to respond.
O’DONNELL: Well, if you notice, he didn’t answer the question as to
whether or not he thought the teacher unions were too powerful, and
that’s probably because he got their endorsement. I would say that what
we need to do especially here in Delaware where we spend so much money
on education, it ends up going to the six-figure salaries of our
bureaucrats and our superintendents, not to the teachers in the
classroom. It’s appalling that in a state where we spend so much
federal and state dollars on education, good teachers who want to get
extra materials have to do so out of their pocket. I have met many
teachers. I’ve sat down with them and talked with them about their
concerns with race from the top and whether they’re Democrat or
Republican a lot of them express that we are not spending our education
dollars appropriately. We’re not helping the classroom, and what’s
going to happen when this race to the top funding dries up? We have a
broken system especially in Wilmington where I live. We have an
extremely high dropout rate. Throwing more money on a broken system is
not going to work. Instead, what we need to do is sit down and have
conversations with the teachers not the unions about what they need us
to do to help them in their classroom.
BLITZER: Over the years a number of conservatives have proposed
eliminating the Department of Education in Washington. Do you support
eliminating the Department of Education?
O’DONNELL: I don’t think that we need to go to that drastic of a
step, but as I said, Senator Coburn has released a report that shows
where millions of dollars in Department of Education money has been
abused. That’s the kind of stuff we have to stop. We also have to make
sure that the money we are putting into education does go to the
classroom and make them more effective. That’s something that we’re
ignoring. Every time that there’s a problem, we just throw more money
in it to appease the special interest groups. We’re not getting to root
of the problem and that’s what we need to do, start getting to the root
of the problem, which means talking to the teachers and not only that,
putting the power back to the parents over whether they send their
children to school.
BLITZER: In a recent survey of 30 industrialized countries, the
United States ranked 25th in math, 21st in science. Finland was first
in math. South Korea was first in science. Specifically what would you
do to make the United States number one, once again, in math and science?
COONS: Great question. And as someone who spent 20 years working
with a non-profit foundation, the I Have a Dream Foundation, that raises
money from private individuals and helps provide scholarships for
students, for teachers, and for a college education, I’ve been hands-on
and engaged with some of the toughest schools in America and some
teachers who are significantly under-supported by their districts and
who needed additional resources to deliver on a promise of an effective
I think there’s a significant role, though, for the federal
government in providing financial support and encouragement,
scholarships for those teachers in STA, in science and technology, in
engineering and math.
We need a new generation of teachers who are fully prepared, fully
qualified to engage their students in the classroom, to use the latest
teaching tools in media, to teach to the standards that No Child Left
Behind established, and that need to be modernized and made more
flexible and responsive. And we frankly need to use collaborative
KARIBJANIAN: I’m sorry, but we’re time-keeping here.
BLITZER: I’ll give you a very quick chance to respond. What would
you do specifically to make the United States number one?
O’DONNELL: Again, what I would say to improve our education, we
have to empower the teachers to do what they need to do to be more
effective. They’re the ones on the first line of defense. They’re the
ones who have the most influence over our students.
But we also have to empower the parents. So I support charter
schools and I support student vouchers — or school vouchers so that it
gives parents, regardless of income, regardless of status, an
opportunity for their students to have a shot at a great education until
our public schools do improve.
BLITZER: Let’s switch gears and talk about health care, which is
such an important issue to millions and millions of Americans right
now. Under the new health care law that was recently signed into law by
the president, children now can stay on their parents’ insurance
policies until the age of 26. People can no longer be denied coverage
for pre-existing conditions. Insurers, the big insurance companies, are
prohibited from rescinding coverage if a customer becomes sick and they
can’t impose any lifetime limits on essential benefits like hospital
stays or expensive treatments.
You say you want to repeal all of that?
O’DONNELL: Well, first of all, no one is disputing that our health
care system before “Obama-care” didn’t need reform. Those are very
important things that are part of insurance reform, not health care
In the course of the public debate over health care reform, we’ve
begun to confuse coverage with care. Our goal should be to make health
care more affordable. Even with “Obama-care,” our most vulnerable in
Delaware are still left uninsured and still left without access to
quality health care.
When we passed “Obama-care,” we were promised that it would make
more people insured. Well, recent CBO reports say that it’s not. It’s
actually causing businesses to drop their policies because compliance
standards are so high. Our laws, especially when it comes to health
care, should not force businesses to break our laws.
Second of all, we were promised that more people — that health care
costs would be lowered. It hasn’t. It has increased health care costs,
according to recent reports. So what I want to do is to fight to fully
repeal that so that we can begin to enact real reform. And that real
reform would include allowing policy portability when you change jobs,
allowing Delawareans to get policies across state lines.
Right now we only have three options. That’s not right. And I
would also fight for some sort of tort reform that allowed doctors to
not have to worry and practice medicine to prepare for the courtroom as
opposed to the examination room, but at the same time this tort reform
has to protect those patients who are victims of true medical malpractice.
BLITZER: You have one minute to respond.
COONS: So much to say.
I support the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. I think it
made significant advances, and you outlined many of them. But there’s
additional investments in the bill to make sure that there’s a breadth
of coverage to rural areas, through the Health Services Corps, by
recruiting and training a whole new generation of doctors and nurses, by
expanding support for community health centers, and by also improving
efficiency of our health care system.
It makes a landmark investment of $350 million over a decade to try
and fight waste, fraud, and abuse, and increase those savings. And
there were strategic investments in electronic medical systems that
would allow electronic medical records to reduce injuries to patients,
mistaken diagnoses, and mistaken treatments.
All of these in combination I think argue for extending, perfecting,
and implementing this landmark bill. It’s not perfect. There are
problems with it. But I think rather than turning it back and repealing
and going for another year or two of endless partisan bickering, this
was a critical piece of legislation.
Not a pretty process that passed it, but I would stand for it and
implement it responsibly.
KARIBJANIAN: Well, we’re now into part of the discussion on it. So
let me just ask you then, the issue was brought up about malpractice
reform, and Democrats are often accused of being too close to trial
lawyers, and Republicans say that’s why that there has not been the
opportunity for reform in this area, and why it was not included in the
health care bill.
If you were elected, would you work to amend that bill to include
COONS: I think it is critical that folks in this country be able to
stand up to and take on powerful interests. And where individuals are
harmed, that they’re able to go into court and to seek redress, whether
they’re harmed by someone who misled them in a securities investment, a
product that they purchased that hurt them because it wasn’t designed or
delivered right, or a medical procedure that went horribly wrong.
I don’t support putting caps on liability because I frankly think in
our current system it is only the threat of a significant recovery that
allows protection for consumers, for patients, for investors. I,
frankly, think that’s an important part of the American legal system.
I do think, as I just mentioned, there are significant advances in
this bill that allow us to make health care safer, stronger, more
transparent. And if I’ve got a major concern about this bill, it’s that
we’re going to reduce costs without squelching innovation.
Delaware and this country has made incredible advances…
KARIBJANIAN: It is discussion.
O’DONNELL: It is discussion. OK. That’s what I was trying to — OK.
First of all, you say that you’re concerned about reducing costs,
but reports have showed that this health care bill has caused costs to
Second of all, you say that it…
COONS: I don’t know what reports you’re reading. I haven’t seen
reports that document that.
O’DONNELL: … partisan bickering, but one out of four Democrats
have gone on record saying that they oppose “Obama-care,” they’ve
realized that we made a bad mistake, and what this bill does is it gives
COONS: And three out of four Democrats strongly support it.
O’DONNELL: … control over health care.
COONS: It does not give massive control…
O’DONNELL: Uncle Sam has no business coming in the examination room.
COONS: … to Uncle Sam over health care.
O’DONNELL: Coming between you and your doctor. And that’s exactly
what this bill does.
COONS: Christine, give some concrete example of how — that’s a
great slogan. You toss it around everywhere you go. How does this bill
actually put Uncle Sam in the examination room between doctors and
O’DONNELL: It dictates what kind of…
COONS: And if so, why did the organization that fights for and
represents America’s nurses, America’s seniors, America’s hospitals, and
America’s doctors, all endorse and support this bill?
O’DONNELL: And many of those branches on the state level, including
here in Delaware, have said we don’t support what the national office
It gives the government the ability to say…
COONS: That’s not true.
O’DONNELL: … what kind of treatment a doctor can and can’t do,
what kind it will fund. It forces businesses to have to comply to these
standards where many businesses, especially here in Delaware, have said
that they can’t afford to, and it’s cheaper to pay the non-compliance.
COONS: Well, Ms. O’Donnell, the state Chamber of Commerce…
O’DONNELL: And it has also cut — this health care bill has cut
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s get this point out because we’re down into the
last 30 seconds of this discussion.
COONS: I was just going to say, the state Chamber of Commerce and
Christiana Care hosted a debate earlier today. I was sorry you chose
not to join us. It would have been great to hear the response of the
physicians and the nurses and the hospital administrators to your
suggesting that they didn’t support a bill they lobbied for.
BLITZER: I want to be precise on this specific health care-related
issue. You oppose the government mandating that everyone must purchase
health insurance, is that right?
O’DONNELL: Yes, because we’re confusing coverage with care. Our
goal needs to be to make health care affordable.
BLITZER: All right. Well, here’s the question. Let’s say someone
decides not to purchase health insurance, makes that conscientious
decision, even though this person can afford to buy health insurance,
but decided he doesn’t want to. This person gets critically ill, is
rushed to an emergency room.
Should we, people who pay for health insurance, provide him or her
with that kind of treatment, or should we kick them out of the emergency
room, said, you made a decision, you’re not going to get this kind of
O’DONNELL: If we do the things that I’ve said that will help to
address — that I’m proposing, that will help to address the issue of
health care, then that person can afford to buy a catastrophic-only
policy from across state lines. They’ll be able…
BLITZER: Well, what if the person doesn’t want to buy it?
O’DONNELL: Well, then we have to address that.
BLITZER: Who should take care of that person in an emergency?
O’DONNELL: We have to address it.
BLITZER: Would we, all of us tax-payers…
O’DONNELL: We have to — no, we have to…
BLITZER: … have to pay for that person?
O’DONNELL: Anything that they do when they have another bill that
they can’t pay, make them pay it. Hold them accountable for that.
KARIBJANIAN: Before or after they get care?
O’DONNELL: But right now, right now — well, that’s up to the
hospital. But right now we’re forcing them to. We’re forcing them that
they have to give care to illegal aliens.
So this is something that we’re already doing. What I’m proposing,
you’re also talking about a very small hypothetical using scare tactics
to make people support this health care bill.
What I’m proposing in the health care reforms that I’m proposing
will help address those situation and help alleviate those situations.
BLITZER: Not just a small number…
O’DONNELL: Well, nobody should be forced to pay for anyone else’s
health care, and that’s what Obamacare is doing.
COONS: And that’s what’s happening today. Before the health care
reform bill passed, all of us who have health insurance, who have health
coverage have been bearing the costs, paying the freight for those who
don’t have insurance and don’t have coverage. They’re getting health
care through emergency rooms now. That’s partly why small businesses,
employers like New Castle County have faced double digit increases in
our insurance costs year after year and year because that’s how we
provide care now, it’s inefficient, it’s inhumane and it’s not effective.
KARIBJANIAN: We have to (inaudible) this issue for now and move on
to our next topic.
O’DONNELL: …agree with me that Obamacare should be…
BLITZER: Let’s move on to immigration right now. And this question
will be for Mr. Coons. A pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants,
you support that, right?
COONS: No. I support a pathway to being here legally. And let me
take a moment – was that your whole question?
BLITZER: The question is, what is your position on a pathway to
citizenship for illegal immigrants?
COONS: We’ve got roughly 12 million illegal immigrants in the
United States today. This is a huge problem. And immigration is a
federal responsibility. And I think we should look to the federal
government to step up and fix it.
The federal government has failed states like Arizona, like
Delaware, like many others. But we need to recognize the situation
we’re in. There are whole industries that rely on the labor of those
who are here illegally. And there is a long tradition of failing to
deliver the border security that our country needs. The current
administration has stepped up and invested millions of dollars in
additional troops and additional services, additional support at the border.
My path forward on immigration would be, strengthen the borders.
Make it much tougher for folks to come here illegally and increase the
penalties when they do.
Second, hold employers accountable, particularly those who routinely
employ folks who are here illegally by giving them Real ID that can
work, that is much more difficult to counterfeit and then holding them
accountable if they repeatedly violate that by employing those who are
And then allow those who are here illegally and do not commit
further crimes to come out of the shadows if they will pay taxes, learn
English, pay a fine, say I committed a crime and pay a fine and go to
the back of the line behind those who applied to come here legally. I
would give them a path towards legal residence. I think there’s more
they’d have to do to ever earn citizenship.
I respect the tradition of those who go and serve our nation
overseas, for example, being offered a chance at citizenship. But in my
view, the pathway I’m suggesting is one towards legal residence.
I want to see us focus our resources, law enforcement resources on
finding and deporting those who pose a real threat to our community. As
somehow responsible for a county police department, I’ve seen over and
over instances where neighborhoods are threatened by people who are here
illegally and where the ICE does not have the resources to deport them
when we deliver them to them. That should be our top priority.
O’DONNELL: Again, he’s back tracking on things that he had said
earlier on the campaign trail. And I would ask you when you say that
you support border enforcement, this administration recently stopped the
efforts to put a virtual fence on our border. When Barack Obama is
standing with you on a campaign trail this Friday, are you going to tell
him that you disagree with him on his immigration reform efforts?
I believe, however, that securing our borders should be our first
priority before we get into any discussion of whether we’re going to get
Social Security benefits to illegal aliens. America is a magnet for
those all over the country who do believe – or all over the world, who
do believe that America does stand as a beacon of hope and justice for
the world, and therefore, I support a legal pathway to those who are
coming over here, especially for political asylum, to seek a better life
than they do in our country. And to reward those who break our laws is
to cheat those who honor them. And this is not a message that our
federal government should be sending.
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s go into the discussion portion of it. Because
you say that you agreed to the pathway to citizenship…
O’DONNELL: For legal.
KARIBJANIAN: But you don’t want to provide amnesty.
O’DONNELL: I don’t want to provide amnesty…
KARIBJANIAN: How can you do one without the other?
O’DONNELL: Because what I’m saying is we have to get rid of all the
bureaucratic messes that make the legal pathway difficult. But when
someone willingly breaks our laws, that sends a message that – don’t
worry about the laws that we’ve set up, don’t worry about those who are
on long waiting lists for political asylum, break our laws and we’ll
grant you these benefits. It’s sending the wrong message. It’s
economically hurting us. And it’s also a national security issue.
COONS: Ms. O’Donnell patently mischaracterizes her own position.
O’DONNELL: I do support responsible guest worker programs. And
that’s the difference.
COONS: If you can reconcile all those comments, you’re an even more
talented reporter than I think you are Nancy.
One of the challenges we face is getting past the endless bickering
and the partisan divide on this. Senator John McCain was someone who,
before this election cycle, had been a real advocate for working with
the business community, working with Democrats in Congress to find a
path forward. As the years and years have rolled by, the number of
folks who are here illegally and who pose real threats to our community
continue to grow and we are not taking the actions we need to take to
separate those who are willing to pay a fine, to accept responsibility
for coming here illegally and begin paying taxes and contributing to
our community and the benefits they are earning.
I would rather have us begin to provide a path so that those who are
here illegally all stand up and take responsibility for that or are
deported. That way we can make progress.
O’DONNELL: Wow, he just took a hard-line position. Again, I would
ask you, are you going to tell President Obama that, that you disagree
with him and you think that illegal aliens should be deported.
But we have to keep in mind that when we tried amnesty in the 80’s
it back-fired. It only increased the problem. So we’ve got to address
the issue of securing our borders. And this is something the President
Obama’s administration stopped this year.
We’ve got to secure our borders first and then begin the discussion
on guest worker programs and how to eliminate some of the bureaucracies
that keep the legal pathway to citizenship so difficult.
BLITZER: We’re going to get to student questions in a moment.
We’re going to get to another question that I have. But I just want to
clarify one thing on the national security front, on China, which is a
huge issue right now. In 2006, and correct if I’m wrong, you said that
China has, quote, “a carefully thought out and strategic plan to take
over America. And if they pretend to be our friend, it’s because
they’ve got something up their sleeve.” You also said, “you wish you
weren’t privy to some of the classified information I am privy to.”
I’d like, if possible, for you to clarify what you meant.
O’DONNELL: Well, first of all, I was talking about when I was
working with the humanitarian group that was going to China. We are
given some security briefs about China’s position with some potentially
hostile nations and some security threats that my clients would be facing.
But we do have to look at China, because we own – they own so much
of our debt, it prohibits a lot of decisions that we need to make in
regard to our foreign policy. Number one is Iran with nuclear weapons.
China stands in a big way there. These gasoline sanctions that we have
are not enforced as strictly as they could be, because have allies like
France and Italy participating in the gasoline embargo, but then China
comes in and swoops all that business.
We need to be putting sanctions on those Chinese companies, because
right now when it comes – Iran getting nuclear weapons is our biggest
threat to our national security. And when we go to China and we say,
please stop these companies, they probably smirk, because we’re not
economically in a position to really hold them to that. China could be
a bigger ally with us in North Korea, but they’re not. They’re not
putting the pressure on North Korea that they could.
So first of all, we have got to tackle that national debt.
We’ve got to stop these things like these reckless spending bills
coming from Washington that only contribute to further our national
debt, because it is putting our national security at issue.
BLITZER: But on a specific quote that you said that China has a
plan to take over America, you know about this plan?
O’DONNELL: Well, they misquoted me at the time, I believe. But
look at what’s going on. Right now, monetarily, China could take us up
over monetarily before they could militarily.
BLITZER: You want to quickly respond, because I know that we want
to get to the students’ questions?
COONS: It’s hard for me to respond effectively, Wolf, to all the
different issues that my opponent has raised in previous statements, and
I’ll just let that stand.
I don’t have any classified information about China or its plans,
but what I think we really need to focus on in this debate, on this
particular question, is the steady degradation of our security posture
in the Pacific Rim. The Australian navy engaged in joint exercises with
the Chinese and specifically excluded us recently. A dramatic shift in
the Australian policy. And as the Chinese have become economically
stronger, they are seeking to become militarily stronger. They’re
pushing the envelope on issues from Taiwan to trade to intellectual
property. It is a profound threat, not just to the vitality of our
economy and our innovation and our manufacturing businesses, but also to
our safety and security, to have widespread counterfeiting of everything
from pharmaceuticals to aircraft parts, to garments, going on in China
without our standing up and fighting against it…
KARIBJANIAN: (inaudible) out of time.
COONS: … in trade war…
KARIBJANIAN: We’re out of time at this point…
O’DONNELL: Are you saying that China has a plot to take over America?
KARIBJANIAN: We’re going to close out this conversation and move on
to the students’ questions because we do want to involve the University
of Delaware students. And first up, we have a question from a student
who brings us the issue of don’t ask, don’t tell.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was wondering if you’re planning to
(inaudible) the issue of don’t ask, don’t tell and its possible repeal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KARIBJANIAN: Mr. Coons, your response? One minute.
COONS: I would move swiftly as a senator to repeal don’t ask, don’t
tell. I think it is discrimination, plain and simple. I’ve met with
and spoken to veterans here in Delaware who’ve served our nation
honorably for decades, several with top-secret clearances, but who could
do so only at the expense of denying who they were and the relationships
that they wanted to have. In my view, we should be making progress in
this country towards recognizing the full range of humane experience,
and repealing don’t ask, don’t tell to me is an important next step in
the civil rights movement.
O’DONNELL: A federal judge recently ruled that we had to overturn
don’t ask, don’t tell. There are a couple of things we need to say
about that. First of all, judges should not be legislating from the
bench. Second of all, it’s up to the military to set the policy that
the military believes is in the best interests of unit cohesiveness and
The military already regulates personal behavior in that it does not
allow affairs to go on within your – your chain of command. It doesn’t
allow, if you’re married, to have an adulterous affair within the
military. So the military already regulates personal behavior because
it feels that it is in the best interests of our military readiness.
I don’t think that Congress should be forcing a social agenda onto
our military. I think we should leave that to the military to decide.
BLITZER: We have another student question on the issue of embryonic
stem cell research, and this goes first to Mr. Coons.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My question is, what are your views on the
federal allocation of funds used for stem cell research?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COONS: I would support stem cell research, and I think…
BLITZER: We’re talking about embryonic stem cell research.
COONS: Correct. I would support federal funding for medical
research that includes embryonic stem cell research. I think there are
critical advances that are being made and can be made in addressing some
of the most difficult diseases that affect millions of Americans, and I
frankly think if it is possible to do so, we ought to be investing and
making progress in this critical area of research.
O’DONNELL: I think if we took an intellectually honest look at the
research that’s been put out there, you will see that there is
incredible advances with adult stem cell research, not as much with
embryonic stem cell research, because that is where this went on in the
private sector. That is where investors would be putting their money.
Second of all, the government, the federal government, should not be in
the business of creating life, simply to destroy it. And when it comes
to the issue of so-called medical waste, I would point to a program
called the Snowflake Babies, where they have had incredible success
adopting these human embryos that are going to be discarded for medical
waste. Where they have given millions-oh, I’m sorry-hundreds and
potentially thousands of infertile couples the opportunity to have
babies. It is the Snowflake program, it is a wonderful program and I
suggest everyone take a look at it.
KARIBJANIAN: Our next student question brings us the issue of
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your stance on abortion, including in
cases of rape and incest.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: For you.
O’DONNELL: I believe there has been a profound loss of respect for
the dignity of human life, and that is reflected in a lot of our
policies, whether it is cutting taxes exemptions for disabled,
low-income citizens in New Castle County, or with abortion. I respect
the human dignity on all levels, the unrepeatable precious human dignity
on all levels. And my opponent and others will use the scare tactic
about rape and incest when that is less than 1 percent of all abortions
performed in America.
KARIBJANIAN: Mr. Coons?
COONS: I strongly support a woman’s right to choose. It is settled
constitutional law. It is an important part of our nation and its
freedoms. I personally am opposed to abortion. But I don’t think it is
my place to put that view on women. I think abortion should be safe,
legal and rare.
BLITZER: Let’s get into some of these issues and then we’ll go back
and get some more students questions. On the issue of gays serving
openly in the United States military? Almost all of the NATO allies
allow gays to serve openly in the military. Israel, which has a fine
military, as you know, allows gays to serve openly in the military. Why
specifically do you believe gays should not be allowed to serve openly
in our military?
O’DONNELL: Because it is a military policy that our military set
forth. It is the same thing as I said in my remarks, about adultery not
being allowed in the military. It is a military policy that they
regulate, because they believe that is in the best interest of unit
cohesiveness and our effective military.
BLITZER: So if the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says he
believes gays should be allowed to serve-
O’DONNELL: If all four-
BLITZER: -in the military. Would that be good enough for you?
O’DONNELL: If all four heads, if the heads of all four branches of
the military said that, then it would be up to them, not me, as a U.S.
senator to impose my social agenda, whether it is for or against “don’t
ask, don’t tell”.
BLITZER: Well, what about that? What if the chairman of the Army,
the Navy, the Air Force, and the Marine Corps, their respective chairman
said, you know what, we’ll do whatever the commander in chief tells us
to do, but we don’t think it is a good idea because of these issues,
that Ms. O’Donnell raises, unit cohesion and those other issues. What
would you say then?
COONS: One of my real heroes is Harry Truman. Harry Truman made a
very difficult decision, to compel the racial integration of the United
States armed forces, at a point when most of the leaders, most of the
generals said, for exactly the same sorts of reason, unit cohesion,
performance in the battlefield. We should not have a racially
integrated military. That was a brave decision. It was an important
decision. And the ultimate long-term impact has made our United States
military one of the most progressive, in terms of promotion and
advancement opportunities for racial minorities of any organization in
As you said earlier, most of our NATO allies have long ago realized
that we are giving up on the service of thousands of potential
volunteers who could be serving our nation at home and abroad. I don’t
think it makes any sense, because of a narrow social agenda, to continue
to exclude them from open service in our military.
O’DONNELL: Mr. Coons-
KARIBJANIAN: Our next student question-
We’re going to-we don’t-we’re not necessarily going to open
discussion on that right now, because we want to get the student
Our next student question comes on the issue of campaign finance
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your position on campaign finance
reform? And what is your reaction to the recent Supreme Court ruling
allowing corporations to donate to political campaigns?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KARIBJANIAN: Mr. Coons, you are first, one minute.
COONS: I think the Citizens United decision, the decision to which
the student is referring, was an unfortunate and ill-decided decision.
One that opens the flood gates to increased corporate contributions that
could have the unintended consequence-I think, unintended of the
decision-of significantly distorting out electoral process here in the
And I would support reforms that further disclose who is behind
these shadowy groups? Whether individuals, or corporations, that are
trying to influence our elections by pouring money into it. Sunshine is
the best disinfectant. And in politics it is best for us to disclose as
fully and as broadly as possible who is making contributions.
O’DONNELL: And yet the legislative efforts to do exactly that has
failed to do that. The Disclose Act, that you know, Harry Reid-which
he’s called my opponent his pet-has put out there to do just that, has
exempt the major corporations from disclosing it. Instead, what these
efforts do is only serve to infringe on the First Amendment right of
I’ll use my own campaign as an example. From our FEC reports, my
supporters have been getting harassing phone calls, not just from
reporters, but from all kinds of people who oppose my candidacy. They
are using intimidation tactics because we are forced to disclose who is
contributing to my campaign. So, this so-called campaign finance reform
is exempting the corporations whether on the left or the right. It is
those who are in Washington already, those who are over 10 years old,
who have over a half a million members, and who already are playing in
the backroom deals. So this is a misguided attempt-
BLITZER: Do the American people have a right to know where all this
money, in these campaigns is coming from?
O’DONNELL: Yes and no. I believe that there are ways to do that
where we can report to the FEC. But we don’t have to make them public
unless there is a question of corruption. And then that would prevent a
lot of the harassment that my supporters are getting. That would
prevent a lot of the discussion about our First Amendment rights. We
can disclose that to the FEC, but they don’t have to put it up on a Web
site that makes anyone vulnerable to further fundraising calls. I mean,
over and over, that is a repeated violation in many campaigns, not my
own. But even my own party has said go look on someone’s FEC report and
call them up for a donation. And I’ve said, absolutely not. That is
against the law.
BLITZER: Very quickly.
O’DONNELL: So these so-called disclosure attempts are being abused.
COONS: I just-there is so much there, Wolf. I don’t know.
Frankly, I support full disclosure of campaign contributions. As I
said before, I think it is the best way to ensure that we have got fair,
open and clean campaigns. Folks should know who the folks are who are
contributing to campaigns. It is an important way to hold candidates
and elected officials accountable.
BLITZER: We have another student question on the sensitive issue of
religion in America.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In light of the events in the past decade, Islam
has been viewed as a religion for extremists and terrorists, where
Muslims, including myself, can attest that Islam is far from that. Now
recently there has been much controversy over the mosque being built in
the vicinity of ground zero and also the Florida pastor making
outrageous remarks about the Koran. Now my question to you is, as
senator, where is the line between the freedom of speech and the respect
of other religions? Both of which freedoms are found in the First
Amendment of the Constitution.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Mr. Coons.
COONS: That’s a great question-and a difficult one. The Florida
pastor who caused a lot of outrage by threatening to burn the Koran
showed a profound misunderstand of the difference between the Islamic
terrorists, the extremists who genuinely attack America, and, I think,
deserve our condemnation and the vast majority of Muslims who
participate in a religion whose fundamental principle is a commitment to
peace and embracing the rest of humanity. If that Florida pastor wanted
to make the right point, he should have threatened to burn the readings
and the teachings of Osama bin Laden, or of other folks who are a part
of the Islamist extremist groups.
It is an important challenge, a key role of the United States
Supreme Court to continue to draw the line in the First Amendment
between those who would do the equivalent of calling fire in a crowded
theater, who would be inciting to attack and riot, such as Osama bin
Laden has in some extremist and hateful writings, and those who have
scripture, religious traditions that are deserving and worthy of broad
Those are difficult lines to police. And that’s a central role that
the Supreme Court plays in our democracy.
O’DONNELL: Well, I would agree. The Supreme Court has said that
there are restrictions on our First Amendment rights. Again, you know,
you can’t, as you said, go into a crowded theater and yell fire. You
can’t stand up on a plane and yell hijack. You can’t slander and libel
However, where the question has come between what is protected free
speech and what is not protected free speech, the Supreme Court has
always ruled that the community, the local community has the right to
And then the issue with the “9/11 mosque,” that’s exactly where the
battle is being fought, by the community members who are impacted by
that. And I support that.
BLITZER: But the community members have — at least the city
council, the mayor, and the representatives — the elected
representatives support this mosque and community center that is
supposed to be built near 9/11.
O’DONNELL: And a lot of the people on the ground do not. And
they’re going to have a lot to face from their constituents and maybe
their re-election is even going to be jeopardized.
BLITZER: Should this cultural center and mosque near 9/11 be built?
COONS: There is already cultural centers — there is already
mosques in many locations in Manhattan, and as you mentioned. I would
defer to the decision of the local land use authorities, the folks who
were elected by that community, to make decisions about where, when, and
how things ought to be built.
I don’t think it was a wise choice of location. But I can’t stand
here and say that we should prevent folks from practicing their religion
anywhere in the United States. To say that we will say, you can’t build
a mosque here, violates one of our most fundamental principles, freedom
KARIBJANIAN: Well, we’ve talked about the Supreme Court, and
obviously a United States senator has the opportunity to determine in a
way the make-up of that court. So what opinions of late that have come
from our high court do you most object to?
O’DONNELL: Oh, gosh. Give me a specific one, I’m sorry.
KARIBJANIAN: Actually, I can’t, because I need you to tell me which
ones you object to.
O’DONNELL: I’m very sorry. Right off the top of my head, I know
that there are a lot, but I’ll put it up on my Web site, I promise you.
BLITZER: Well, we know you disagree with Roe versus Wade.
O’DONNELL: Yes, but that was — she said a recent one.
BLITZER: Well, that’s relatively recent.
O’DONNELL: She said, of late.
Yes, well, Roe versus Wade would not put the power — sorry, it’s 30
BLITZER: But since then, have there been any other…
BLITZER: … Supreme Court decisions?
O’DONNELL: Well, let me say, about Roe versus Wade, Roe versus
Wade, if that were overturned, would not make abortion illegal in the
United States, it would put the power back to the states.
BLITZER: But besides that decision, anything else you disagree with?
O’DONNELL: Oh, there are several, when it comes to pornography,
when it comes to court decisions, not just Supreme Court, but federal
court decisions to give terrorists Miranda-ized rights.
I mean, there are a lot of things that I believe that — this
California decision to overturn “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell,” I believe that
there are a lot of federal judges who are legislating from the bench.
BLITZER: That wasn’t the Supreme Court, it’s a lower court.
O’DONNELL: That was a federal judge — that’s what I said, in
BLITZER: But which Supreme Court decisions, if any, do you disagree
COONS: The most recent one that I’ve been engaged in we’ve talked
about, is Citizens United. I think the Citizens United case takes a
sort of logical extension in the law, but takes it to a ridiculous
Corporations really aren’t entitled to the same free speech rights,
in my view, as people. And in Delaware, America’s corporate capital,
you would think we would be fighting for the rights of corporations.
But in terms of political contributions, the free speech rights of
corporations, I don’t think deserve the same protections as the free
speech rights of real living, breathing, voting humans.
And so I would disagree with that decision. And I would act to try
and find ways to limit it, narrow it, or even overturn it.
BLITZER: Anything else?
COONS: That’s the most important.
BLITZER: Let’s take another question from a student on energy,
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My question is, where do you think funding
should be placed in order to move toward the United States decreasing
its carbon program.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Mr. Coons.
COONS: Well, the most effective investment in reducing emissions of
CO2 and other things that cause greenhouse gas warming is energy
efficiency and conservation. There was a significant investment in the
stimulus bill in getting municipalities, local governments, the private
sector, to invest in efficiency and conservation. And those are
investments that reduce emissions, put people to work, and can develop
cutting edge technologies that make our systems operate better and to
reduce, not just the emissions, but also the operating expenses.
In New Castle County, we took $3.8 million in EECBG grants and
combined it with $4 million of our own and retrofit 20 county
buildings. We reduced our operating costs, we reduced our emissions and
we ultimately put folks to work here in our own community.
As you look at those kinds of investments around the country.
They’re the most important — they have the most impact of anything you
can do that will actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions. There’s many
more things we need to do to improve the efficiency of operation…
COONS: …of coal fire power plants. Excuse me.
O’DONNELL: Well, I think the best way to address this that is most
relevant to this U.S. Senate race is to talk about the issue of Cap and
Trade because the winner of this U.S. Senate race can be immediately
sworn in and serve it in Harry Reid’s lame duck session and vote on Cap
and Trade. While I do believe that we have to be good stewards of this
earth, we don’t need to do it at the expense of our citizens and Cap and
Trade will do that, whether it’s farmers, senior citizens, or realtors
who are concerned about its green compliance standards. Nobody wants
this bill. This bill is a national energy tax that will ration energy
use and increase our utility bills. Senior citizens are concerned about
the cost these new utility bills going up. Farmers are concerned about
the green compliance standards and raised utility bills shutting down
their operations. And realtors are concerned about the green compliance
standards hurting and already hurting housing market.
But I would have to ask my opponent, speaking of Cap and Trade, your
family business stands to financially benefit from some environmental
legislation under Bush…
KARIBJANIAN: The minute’s up, so let’s talk…
O’DONNELL: Would your business…
COONS: A fascinating question that really makes no sense, yet, so
if you’d like to — better ask the whole question, I’d be…
What’s she talking about?
O’DONNELL: I’d like to know if your family business stands to have
a financial gain if Cap and Trade is passed and if so, would you recuse
yourself in the lame duck sessions from voting with Harry Reid?
COONS: Fascinating question. No, to the best of my knowledge there
is no direct financial benefit. And I do think it’s important for folks
in public office to conduct themselves ethically, to be transparent and
to be accountable for decisions they make and for votes that they cast.
I am someone who thinks that greenhouse gasses are a concern, are a
problem for the long-term. And I think we need to take steps to rein
them in and to deal with the environmental consequences that they might
BLITZER: Well, let me ask Miss O’Donnell what evidence do you have
that any family business that he has would stand to gain from Cap and Trade?
O’DONNELL: Because they make fuel cells and…
BLITZER: Who’s they?
O’DONNELL: W.L. Gore. They make some of the stuff that will be
required by these business to regulate Cap and Trade, so…
BLITZER: Is that true?
COONS: That’s quite a stretch. Gore makes over 1,000 products. It
was difficult for me to understand, from her question what she was
talking about. Gore is a company that makes lots and lots of products
from implantable medical devices to dental floss to some membranes that
component parts that go into systems that go into fuel cells.
Fuel cells are not currently fielded broadly in the United States.
It’s a cutting-edge technology that some day has the promise of being a
significant contributor to making a more energy-efficient, cleaner
transportation future. But to me, the impact is so distant from any
particular proposal on cap-and-trade, it took a couple of minutes to
even understand what she was talking about.
BLITZER: On this issue of energy, let’s just wrap up this section
with this. Yesterday, the Obama administration announced it was lifting
the moratorium in deep-water oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Do you
support this kind of offshore oil drilling?
O’DONNELL: Well, that has raised the issue of whether or not we
support it here in Delaware, because that move by Obama would allow
that. No, I don’t want to see oil rigs off the state of Delaware.
However, it should be up to the states to decide. And if Governor
Markell and our state legislatures in Dover were to pass legislation for
that, then I shouldn’t as a congressman overstep a state’s right. If
Virginia wants it — not only that. We have got to begin to wean
ourselves off of foreign oil. We are dependent on potentially hostile
countries like Russia and Venezuela, while our own homeland is rich with
natural resources, whether it’s oil or natural gas, and there are states
that do want to begin exploration. Alaska, Virginia. We as a
government need to support those states who do want it.
BLITZER: Do you agree or disagree?
COONS: I opposed the president’s proposal to open the outer
continental shelf off of Delaware to oil drilling when it was first made
months ago. I frankly think that Delaware’s world-class beaches
shouldn’t be at risk of being spoiled by oil spills. We depend on
tourism, on our fisheries. There’s lots of reasons. I think it just
doesn’t make sense, for most of the Atlantic coast.
I do think there are natural energy resources in this country we can
and should begin to exploit more fully, but I would also prioritize
investments in alternative energy technologies.
The University of Delaware has long been a world leader in solar
power, for example, and has a key role to play in making wind power
real. Offshore wind power, solar power. These are the sorts of
initiatives (ph) where I’d prefer to see federal investment and new
innovative opportunities that could create good jobs for the long term.
KARIBJANIAN: Let’s leave time to throw in one more issue here
before we go to closing statements. We are kind of drawing down on time.
This is an issue that I think can really illustrate the differences
perhaps between the two of you, and that is what specifically would you
and could you do to actually help end any of the bitter partisan –
bipartisan — non-partisanship in Washington? So what would you be able
to do as an individual once you arrive in Washington?
O’DONNELL: Well, I’ve had to fight my party to be here on this
stage to win the nomination, and to some extent I am still fighting my
party. So my — when I go to Washington, my allegiance will be to the
voters of Delaware, not any special interests.
My whole campaign has been about returning the political process
back to the people of Delaware, and to me that’s a great thing. So what
I would do is I would stand strong on legislation that benefits the
interest of our citizens, not the special interests in Washington, D.C.,
and I would stand there and not just vote against a piece of
legislation, but make the floor speeches that would try to convince my
colleagues on both sides of the aisle who’ve lost their way and given
into partisanship so much that it has caused several stalemates, as to
why this is in the best interests of their constituents. And I would
stand firm regardless of what kind of pressure was on, from either
party, to stand firm in doing what is right for the people of Delaware,
not the interests in Washington.
COONS: I frankly don’t think my opponent can or has pointed to one
single example where she supports the current administration or an
initiative of the Democratic Party. I have a real, practical record of
having reached bipartisan solutions here in county government, of
working with the elected Republicans who’ve served with me on county
council and on council while I’ve been county executive. I’ve got a
real, hands-on record here in the private sector and in my service and
partnership with the private sector of reaching out to folks from
different political backgrounds, from different experiences, and from
different worldviews, to work with them to find solutions.
I think that’s the kind of record that Delawareans will look at in
judging whether or not I’ve got the capacity to address some of this
endless partisan bickering.
BLITZER: Well, on this specific issue, and Ms. O’Donnell raised it
earlier, I’ll give you a chance to clarify, to explain, she says that
Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, has called you his “pet.”
COONS: I don’t know why Harry Reid said that. I’m nobody’s pet.
I’m going to be a bulldog for Delaware. I’m running to represent all
Delawareans, of whatever party, not just the Democrats. And I’ve got a
significant amount of support from independents, from Republicans, from
Democrats, from all three counties.
I’ve got a record of independence and of fighting for the public
interest as county executive, and I would continue that in Washington.
BLITZER: And just to clarify another point…
O’DONNELL: Well, then why…
BLITZER: … from earlier, just to make sure we tie this up,
earlier you said you didn’t want to have to talk about comments you made
years ago about witchcraft and stuff like that. But in this commercial
that’s so widely seen, you begin the commercial with the words “I am not
a witch.” What were you thinking…
O’DONNELL: Put it to rest.
BLITZER: What were you thinking?
O’DONNELL: To put it to rest. To put it behind me.
BLITZER: But didn’t you realize if you do that in a commercial, it
would just revive it and everybody would be talking about that?
O’DONNELL: No. We’re moving past that and we’re talking about the
issues. I’d like to address what my opponent just said about being a
bulldog for Delaware, yet in a fund-raising letter he promises to
support the “Reid-Obama-Pelosi agenda” lockstep and barrel (sic).
That’s not non-partisanship.
And again, why are the — why is the Democratic Party pulling out
all of the stops to get him elected? Because they see him as a rubber
stamp for their agenda. And there are many things that I have publicly
said that I support the Obama administration on.
I support Obama’s decision to send troops to Afghanistan. I support
Obama’s decision for drones. I support Obama’s decision to treat the
American who is recruiting terrorists on American soil, who is hiding in
Yemen, I support the decision for our intelligence agencies to do
whatever it takes to take him out.
So there are things that I would proudly support, when it is in the
best interest of Delawareans. But I believe that a lot of the policies
coming from this administration are not in the best interest of
Delawareans, and most of them are the failed stimulus bills where we’ve
been promised one thing and then received another.
But breaking promises is something that my opponent is very
KARIBJANIAN: But even local party leaders have questioned you
candidacy, especially after the primary. And you criticized the man you
beat in that primary for being someone who went with what he felt was in
the best interests of Delawareans, for being someone who was borrowing
Republican principles but going with the Democrats.
So how can you rationalize…
O’DONNELL: What I did in the Republican primary, and what I will
continue to do is bust up the backroom deals. We have — a lot of our
leaders have an obnoxious sense of entitlement about who should get in
office and who should represent them on the ballot.
O’DONNELL: What my campaign did is put the…
KARIBJANIAN: I need to interrupt just because we have to get to the
O’DONNELL: Ah, OK.
BLITZER: All right. Let’s — and we will begin the closing
statements, both of you will have a chance to make your final comments.
We’ll begin with Ms. O’Donnell.
O’DONNELL: Thank you. Once again, I’d like to thank the host of
this debate and Nancy and Wolf.
And I hope now that the Delaware voters better understand the clear
choice we face in November. My opponent has a record of raising taxes
and a record of wasting — wasteful spending.
Like so many career politicians, he says he would do one thing and
then only breaks his promises after he has assumed office. My opponent
will rubber stamp the same failed policies that have caused unemployment
and our national debt to skyrocket.
He is in lockstep with Barack Obama and Harry Reid. And that’s why
Harry Reid has called him his “pet.” I’m not a Democrat, but I know that
what is happening in this country right now is not what my Democratic
friends voted for when they voted for change in 2008.
What Washington needs now are new voices and new ideas that look to
the people and not to the government for the solutions to our economic
My opponent is addicted to a culture of spending, waste, fraud and
abuse, whether it’s spending tax dollars on men’s fashion shows, or to
pay off his cronies with sweetheart pension deals and special
interests. We already have enough politicians in Washington like that.
I want to go to Washington and be the voice of the people of
Delaware, not any party of special interest group. I want to go to
Washington and represent the people who put me on the stage tonight and
who are willing to work hard to get our country back on track again.
It’s not going to be easy, but I do believe that America is the greatest
force of good in the world, and I had never questioned whether America
is a beacon of freedom and justice.
We will get our financial house in order. We will cut spending. We
will reform our government, and we will defeat our enemies and see
triumph of (ph) our (ph) freedom again.
So with that said, I hope that you will support me and cast your
vote for O’Donnell for U.S. Senate. God bless you and God bless Delaware.
COONS: I appreciate your attention to tonight’s debate. Thank you
for the tough questions you’ve asked and for the open and good
conversation we’ve had over the last 90 minutes.
I think you’ve heard, there is a real and clear difference between
our opponent and me, in our values, our experience, and in our approach.
Ms. O’Donnell has experience at running for office, but not at
really running anything. At delivering catchy slogans, but at not
delivering on any real solution. And frankly, at sharpening the
partisan divide, not at bridging it. She is focused too little on the
issues that really matter to Delawareans and too much on the issues that
make for good soundbites.
I think what Delaware needs, what Delaware deserves is someone as
their next United States senator who has real, hands-on experience.
Experience solving problems, fixing what’s wrong, here with our
community and in Washington, and tackling the real problems that face us
I believe I offer you real ideas based on that experience. I’m the
only candidate on this stage tonight with experience working in…
KARIBJANIAN: We’re out of time.
COONS: … and with the private sector…
KARIBJANIAN: All right.
COONS: And I’ll be grateful for your vote.
KARIBJANIAN: My apologies for interrupting, but thank you so much.
Time is up.
O’DONNELL: Thank you.
KARIBJANIAN: Wolf Blitzer, it’s been a pleasure.
BLITZER: Thank you very much.
KARIBJANIAN: Thank you.
And for all of you who are watching, thank you so much for joining
us. For Delaware First Media, I’m Nancy Karibjanian. Good night.